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  1. Blind Ninja

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    Vote: listo
  2. Blind Ninja

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    Only reason I havent voted listo yet is to give him a chance to speak. Needless to say, the longer he takes, the less inclined ill be to wait. Especially if he comes in with "ill talk tomorrow after work" or something of the sort.
  3. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    I forgot about the neighborhood.

    Unvote: Mazer

    Vote: Claws
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    Why do you find claws to be sus? or still just random.org?
  4. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    I think it is less likely that you and 3puppies are scum than the others. Everyone else has an equal chance. I know Diva's name has come up lately as a lynch target but I don't see Diva being any more or less likely to be scum than everyone else.
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    Then why wouldnt you vote on someone you think is likely to be scum, instead of Mazer, who is in the neighborhood with me. This random vote on d4 just feels lazy
  5. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    I confess to my confidence in random.org to lead me right.
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    This far into the game and you need to do random.org?

    Who are in your POE or are you just happy to be alive?
  6. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    Why is work so boring i wanna be free ugh
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    Just go home, tell them you need a personal day
  7. Blind Ninja

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    @3puppies You said you had no result for this round?
  8. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    i mean not to defend him but he came mid game and hes been catching up and working i dont think not voting really matters as much as contributing he gave us the vote analysis your basing this off of anyways so kinda ironic
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    But did the vote analysis really give us anything that we didnt already see and comment on?
  9. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    idk probably not 3puppies. I don't think he's been confirmed by anyone else? Wouldn't be the first time a scum bussed every one of his teammates and people blindly trusted him until the end, but he's most likely the cop
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    Asked who you thought was scum, not who isnt...

    Who are in your POE?
  10. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Since one of the scum had a BPV, we can assume that there is a vigi out there with a kill, right? Seems like it would be very risky to use that kill now that we are on track for a safe 1v2

    7 alive, 1 scum
    lynch 1
    1 person nked
    5 alive, 1 scum
    lynch 1
    1 person NKed
    3 alive, 1 scum
    At this point, the two living town players have the highest chance of successfully picking and lynching the last scum.

    If a vigi uses their shot before this, then the final day will be 3 town vs 1 scum, statistically less likely to hit (25%) than 2 vs 1 (33%)
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    Aside from these numbers...

    Who do you feel is the most likely final scum?
  11. Blind Ninja

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    Tracker being killer makes me feel there is 100% a GF with investigation immunity.

    That said, we need to look at our reads and interactions and less at cop results.

    I'd like everyone to list their POE.
  12. Blind Ninja

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    I gave some time, but not sure I want to give people time to change heart and back off Psycho.

    Vote: Psycho

    Still think its one of our strongest reads overall as a grp
  13. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    im having a hard time believeing this claim imo
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    I also feel he is full of shit
  14. Blind Ninja

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    @PsychoSoldier Why did you holster on N1? Didnt you think you would be an early target for scum? If you have/had 1x abilities, wouldnt you want to use them early so they didnt go wasted?
  15. Blind Ninja

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    CWE said:
    Well if you were blocked...

    Vote: Psycho
    He visited you last night.
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    Bussing your teammate?
  16. Blind Ninja

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    DivaSmurf said:
    If you were blocked is it possible MTR was protecting someone else?
    My thought process is it doesn’t make sense for scum to spend two of their actions on the same target on the same night phase, so I’m thinking MTR was either the intended target or he was protecting someone else, either way I don’t think 3pups was kill target
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    Sounds like @3puppies ate a Roleblock if no result. So that would mean MTR was the kill target or protected someone else.
  17. Blind Ninja

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    Listo95 said:
    It’s almost like I have a fucking job that doesn’t have set hours. I’ll be able to get it out after work tomorrow. (Late shift today into early shift tomorrow)
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    Do you have any opinions based on your read so far?

    Or are we in a just wait for tomorrow scenario?
  18. Blind Ninja

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    Like his yesterday was 4 posts in a back and forth with me, which ended up being semantics in the 1st few hours of the day.... then a "finally finished catchup/reading" 4hrs before EoD. Should have been time in there to post some views and didnt even vote.
  19. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    KInda my poe giving listo the benefit of doubt until i get that vote analysis
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    He is still there. Didnt move him out because he didnt do anything last phase.
  20. Blind Ninja

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    With scum traitor and scum neighbor down, I assume we have 2 more scum to find.

    My POE is Psycho, listo, CWE.
  21. Blind Ninja

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    So mafia BPV traitor. Im guessing the traitor had to be recruited by a kill, but the BPV would keep em safe and then they'd join the team. Outside chance or thought that town has a vig shot.

    With a Bodyguard getting hit last night, feeling the same as claws that he likely we protecting our cop. But not I doubt the existence of a Doc.
  22. Blind Ninja

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    Val was previously there... if he returns I would also not like his vote
  23. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    No im ok with a few weary about 1
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    Of the 4 on the Drey votre, the only one I dont like is Psycho
  24. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    My worry with drey is the quick pile up an hr ago hes still in my poe but likrle 3 ppl in 10mins popped on
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    Valid concern. Do you trust the people that voted there? Or distrust all 3 that voted in succession?
  25. Blind Ninja

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    MTR said:
    @DivaSmurf I know you are working but if can check in and vote that would be great
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    Lets vote her off ;)
  26. Blind Ninja

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    MTR said:
    Yes we need to protect the cop and also need to get a yeet off. I am not against changing either if we think there is a better option. We seem to have a few we are bouncing between.
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    CWE is moving toward my POE, but prefer Psycho and listo over him.
  27. Blind Ninja

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    About 3.5hrs left today.

    My vote put Drey at L-2. Willing to move it, but want to ensure we get a lynch off.
  28. Blind Ninja

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    Goes without saying, Doc should protect Cop today if possible.

    @3puppies You should cop check someone that appears in most people's POE. There are 3-4 that are repeated.
  29. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    I could be talked into Dreyski. The problem I have with CWE is that I just don't think he's done anything to help town.

    I don't want to vote Listo just yet because I too would like to see that analysis. But Listo has promised analysis before, and failed to provide it when scum. I recognize that Listo just subbed in, and I want to be understanding of that position.

    Heck with it. I have a bunch of meetings this afternoon and I don't know how available I will be - I know it will be very little over the coming weekend.

    Unvote: Unvote

    Vote: Dreyski
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    He's subbed in, but this has been more then 3 actual days and finally just read the game. Should have been able to get a read and some thoughts out in a 72hr day.

    My POE hasnt changed today. Would personally like Psycho over Drey, but willing to go Drey as well.

    Vote: Drey
  30. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    I am not only town, even if I had randed scum, I am not nearly that clever. That is an amusing thought, though.

    When I saw there would be nothing in the writes up to help town, I immediately realized that town would need to share info to narrow down the suspects. I figured the risks of getting myself targetted would be worth it if it gives town the best chance to victory.

    How many threats to town do we think there would be in a game like this? With no write-ups to help town, this is supposed to be a simple game. Does that mean no 3rd party?

    We have lost a neighbor, a miller, and a watcher. There are 3 town roles claimed - 2 other neighbors and a cop. Scum lost a neighbor (and who know what other role he may have had), but I doubt Forgotten was also GF in addition to being a neighbor. Is it reasonable to wonder if scum was given a GF in a game without writeups?

    Of the common roles in a "simple" game of 15 people, I'd guess that town had 11 people to scum's 4. Town probably has a tracker, a doc and/or a jailer, maybe something else as well. I'd like to ask everyone, as you've all played a lot more than I have, what additional roles are most common in a game of this size. I don't think there's a busdriver in a game without write-ups.
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    Just because there's no writeup, it wouldnt limit the use of a busdriver. If there is one, we cant be 100% about your results. While I doubt we have a bus, I also dont think we have a large number of PR. And with a miller (shows guilty/not town) to a cop check, it wouldnt surprise me to see a GF. And had Future been GF, it would have said so. Typically wouldnt be a neighbor and GF. Not to mention we would know after the flip.
  31. Blind Ninja

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    CWE said:
    Is Mazer asking me to turn easy mode on?
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    I dont think so... more along the lines of wanting more interactions and some reads from you. I feel he wants that and not you to answer "are you town"
  32. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Unvote: Dreyski

    Vote: Vote Claws
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    Worst vote of the day so far...
  33. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    Just like I don't think the neighborhood of you, foxxi, BN and future held more than one scum, that slim possibility remains. So while there remain two of you alive, for those of us NOT in the neighborhood, would you mind sharing here everything that was discussed in the neighborhood? Future presumably shared everything with scum, so if either you or BN was a wolf, and you take the other out, the rest of us would have less insight on the other's thoughts.
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    There was a lot of read progression done in there, but also a LOT of discussion. Really too much to go through to post or even recap here. Its why before the night ended we tried to get all 3 of our legacy reads done and posted, so if one of us fell, the other 2 could put it in thread. People sus of claws have been told why the neighbors dont think claws is scum. But if you want specifics, could likely pull that out, but not going to do an EVERYTHING.
  34. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    By hanging back and not really contributing? Folks here got all over LDG for not helping. Getting all over Diva for their bagel posts, but tequila is fine?
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    There is a difference in all 3 though.

    LDG didnt do anything
    Diva had a chance to do things, but decided to fluff instead.
    CWE is still contributing, even if at a lower quantity. And the more he does contribute, the easier he will be for anyone to figure out.
  35. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Because he led the train on LDG.
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    Pretty damn sure I was the most vocal person for the LDG lynch.

    Do you have anyone else you are interested in today?
  36. Blind Ninja

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    PsychoSoldier said:
    That's roughly where I'm at while still thinking about Claws just because the pivot to Future did seem a bit sudden, but eh.

    Who do you think is more suspicious between CWE and diva? I don't really think either are scum but if I had to pick, I'd probably lean Diva after Future's flip
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    I dont read CWE the same as others do. Id default towards Mazer on a more solid read there, but I dont have him as a town read. Kinda in that neutral ground that can go either way.

    Diva is in a similar, yet different boat. I can see some townie things and some scummy things. Cut has me leaning scum on her, but not sold.
  37. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    I am surprised that I survived the night, so thank you if anyone protected me. Then again, maybe the doc protect was foreseen by scum so they decided to take out Foxxi.

    I was kind of sus about Mazer, but after he led the passionate charge to take ForgottenFuture out, and it being so close to a no yeet, for now I don't see anyone on that train being dirty. Which leaves Dreyski, Void/Listo, CWE and Val. CWE already pinged me based on how he responded to my prodding, so I think there will be sus there even if I don't investigate him. Void being MIA needing to be replaced by Listo - I hope everything is okay with Void - doesn't give us anything to look at either way yet, but I would like to give Listo a chance to say something.

    Dreyski did give a list of reads that included sus on ForgottenFuture, which makes me lean town on him.

    So I decided to use my cop check on Val.

    I got back a not guilty result. Val is clean, like MTR, unless maybe a godfather.

    Vote: CWE
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    He may have given a sus list, but didnt vote there. It isnt uncommon for scum to sus one another. Dont give him a pass just for saying he thought FH was sus.
  38. Blind Ninja

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    PsychoSoldier said:
    BN, how do you feel about Claws and Dreyski? I know you gave Nightingale's legacy, but I'm curious how your personal thoughts compare
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    Kinda agree with her that Claws is likely town with the ways he's been playing/acting.

    Ive had my own suspicions on Drey.

    My POE, currently, is: Drey, Psycho and Listo (inactive VK slot). With CWE and Diva a bit on the outside. Full on Null read of Val (so can go either way)
  39. Blind Ninja

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    Listo95 said:
    So semantics got it. I meant I agreed to replace while I was working. And no I read nothing since I wasn't playing.
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    Full on semantics.

    Would be interested to see what you think when you read through
  40. Blind Ninja

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Resuming where I left off.

    Vote: Dreyski
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    While I agree with this one... any reason for it?
  41. Blind Ninja

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    Listo95 said:
    In what manner? I agreed at essentially 3pm my time yesterday. I worked until 11pm last night. I worked again today at 8am. I LITERALLY had no time to fucking read.
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    I said i could sounded like you could read... But given this statement just means you could replace.

    I dont know who can and cant read/follow/respond or any degree of such, while at work. Also dont know if you would even follow the game if you werent playing. (I know I occasionally read/skim if I decide against joining).

    Not to mention, for 2 days, its been pretty light. I remember some older games getting to double digit pages by d2. only on page 6 at the start of d3.
  42. Blind Ninja

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    Listo95 said:
    I said I could while working. I worked until 11pm est last night. I had to be back at work 8am this morning. I literally had no time to read.
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    1st part doesnt match the last part... :)
  43. Blind Ninja

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    Listo95 said:
    So sup. I came in during work and night essentially lasted all of my working hours today. Could I possibly get a TLDR of the game state so far?
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    Cop claim
    1 innocent result
    4 person neighborhood (2 dead. 1 scum, 1 town)
    watcher dead
    town miller dead

    Did you not read the thread after learning you were going to sub in?
  44. Blind Ninja

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    Night's Legacy reads in neighbor chat
    Town:
    MTR
    Pups
    BN
    Mazer
    Claws
    Nightingale - Neighbor
    Lemon- Miller
    Satsu- watcher

    Maybe Town:
    Diva
    Val

    Poe:
    Dreyski
    Psycho
    CWE
    Listo
    ForgottenHold - Scum Neighbor
  45. Blind Ninja

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    Vote: Future

    couple other places id be willing to vote, but really disliked the mazer vote he did
  46. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    Foxxi - not solvong
    Vk - nonexsistant
    Mazer - saying we cant read his code but spewing a ton of nonesense
    Psycho - partner day (idk what that is)
    Mtr - still living *sigh*
    Future and diva - needs alot of work

    Every1 else i just havent looked into
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    You say Foxxi isnt solving, but what help are you being to town?
  47. Blind Ninja

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    DivaSmurf said:
    I'm not very active in these games because I feel like I don't have much to contribute and I struggle with doing reads, me sharing my thoughts on the LDG vote was me trying to do better. I struggle with reads in general and especially day one reads, so I voted no yeet because I was worried about making a mistake.
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    Sure you may not have reads on everyone, but figured you'd be have at least some insight on those you've known longest... like FH and MTR.
  48. Blind Ninja

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    CWE said:
    Patron. Chilled. No salt. No lime.
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    So the cheap stuff... at least no training wheels.

    Ive been on a Casamigos recently. Hard to go back to petron, jose, 1800 or eve don julio
    CWE said:
    I almost always distrust everyone. It's just to varying degrees.
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    Ok...

    Who are the top 2-3 you distrust the most and least
  49. Blind Ninja

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    CWE said:
    All you shady fucks. For being shady Fucks.

    :shifty:
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    Great... you distrust the other 12 people that are alive. This doesnt help your case.


    But in other news, whats your tequila of choice... need to see if our drunk mindsets could even vibe.
  50. Blind Ninja

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    CWE said:
    Remember those that are saying I "look bad".

    Avenge me.
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    Who looks bad to you? Aside from people tossing shade your way.

    Anyone that you feel we should be applying pressure to? and why?
  51. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    CWE rankled me a few times. The early vote on me was bad enough and I almost gave an OMGUS vote to him, but he changed his vote, I believe a few times on D1. No real reasons behind his votes - not that I would expect any - but it didn't feel like what we have seen from him in other games. The "kill me and find out" felt wrong from him - almost precisely what game ending jester would say, but also what a truth telling scum would say.

    I bought into Diva's flighty/busy gimmick because it just felt real. She joined me on the No Lynch train, and it wasn't quite clear that both you and MTR would come through with a hammer. I just figure that with her busy schedule on the holiday, if she were scum then she would have alerted her team mates, and they would have coached her to be sure a town lynch went through.

    Looking through the LDG yeet train, how many scum do you think were on it?
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    I can see being busy on the day (2/14) with the cookie business for Diva, but after and so far this phase, there has been nothing. The No lynch seemed like a safe spot that people wouldnt really question based on how our community has typically voted on D1. Would people really question it? My bigger issue, as outlined in another post, she made more posts on d1 not related to the game then actual game related posts. If you have time to talk about bagels or books, you have time to give an opinion on the discussions that happened.
  52. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    I read this as you're suggesting you know your vote on Diva is pretty weak, and you're mostly pressing for a reaction, from her or anyone else. But a small part of this just feels forced solving - like you're scum and you know you have to appear like the town version of yourself.

    To me, CWE feels a LOT worse than Diva right now.

    What are your thoughts about Claws or BN right about now?
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    Not gonna lie... the vote doesnt look weak, diva just looks weak. I dont see a lot of town equity from that slot.

    Also agree that CWE looks bad. For me to say which looks worse, would require me to get some sleep and sober up.
  53. Blind Ninja

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    PsychoSoldier said:
    3pups seems legit to me and also I think the way they developed around their BN read is towny. It feels like he's actually trying to figure out the right way forward rather than stall with words or misrepresent town. I also just don't see him claiming like that so brazenly if scum.
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    Is it just the read development... or the claim with no counter?

    Do you think 3pups would be the person to try and bait a TPR out?
  54. Blind Ninja

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    Mazer said:
    I didn't love Diva's pop in style and recitation. And then, I think that was a safe vote on a sleep train that wasn't going to take off without much explanation. So, I'm genuinely interested there.

    Also, I bet voidkitten would have already gotten the clues I've laid out.
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    At this point, VK may be a lost cause... who knows if/when rock will deal with the situation. Would prefer VK show and voice his opinion before action takes place
  55. Blind Ninja

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    Mazer said:
    Me too. There's nothing I hate more than an unfinished story. George RR Martin can fuck right off.
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    I hate that he didnt finish the books, then they made the rest of the series. I should read the books for the fun... and maybe rewatch the series to spot the differences (more entertainment for myself)
  56. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    I kind of like a lot about this. Posting about your neighborhood in particular, and your suspicion that one of your group of 4 is untrustworthy. I don't understand not sharing who the other neighbors are, however. Town needs as much info as we can get. The straight up offer for us to lynch LDG or you actually did seem like a gamble a better player than I could pull off, though, especially since you know that quite a few players get annoyed by her play style, it wasn't that hard for her train to take off.

    I get things wrong every game I play. I don't have anyone helping me.

    I didn't see where the kill was seen, but if it was I am annoyed with whoever saw it for not sharing details. I'm happy if town wins, whether I last or not (and since I have shared info that cleared MTR, I am sure I won't last long).

    Any thoughts on my CWE question?
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    Doubt it was seen, since the watcher was killed. Potential deets IF a tracker followed the killer to the target.... but highly doubt that.

    As for CWE, there are people that know his style better and can shed light on it when he posts more. I dont feel like straight up asking him if he is good/bad is the way to go. He will be solved based on what he says.
  57. Blind Ninja

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    @DivaSmurf @ForgottenHold @MTR How do you feel about your other house members?

    Additionally for Diva, why didnt you comment yesterday on the direction of votes, aside from saying you dont think we should vote LDG. But had 3 posts about Bagels, a post about math, a post about books, a gif and work is busy.


    @VoidKitten You coming back to us anytime soon? Would like to hear your take on game state.
  58. Blind Ninja

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    And how the hell can you post multiple times today and get little things wrong... like who you voted.


    Or who others voted that were only 3-5 posts above you
  59. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    Please recognize that I haven't cleared you, either. Your "Unfortunately due to my role ..." statement includes the possibility that your role is scum. But let's leave that alone for a day or two.

    Since I cleared MTR, who do you think is more likely untrustworthy among BN and Claws?

    I am back and forth - I first voted BN because of how hard he fought to get a lynch of a townie. I switched to Void because of process of elimination, and I love Taylor Swift.
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    While I can agree that my insistence and push on LDG is a bad look, I still dont think removing a town that wouldnt participate is a bad move. Sure we went down 1 because of it, but nothing we cant come back from.

    I will say, If I was scum, would I come out and say I was in a neighborhood with others? Would I freely give that information? Would I also straight up say lynch either her or me for D1? That isnt a gambit I make as scum.


    Now that we've seen a Miller and Watcher roles flip... I doubt we have too many more power roles at hand. Cop since it was claimed and potentially a doc. With 1 kill seen, doubt scum has the ability to do much more. Likely a GF role and maybe a RB to counter cop/watcher/doc. Guessing its going to be more heavily skewed towards town... maybe 11-4 or 12-3 (off chance of 11-3-1)


    I dont like the d2 vote swap based on someone's musical preference. What does that have to do with the game we are playing. If it was D1, sure, mess around with some joke votes like that, but dd2 after a couple flips when we can see how things progressed or stalled... feels fake
  60. Blind Ninja

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    Claws said:
    Vote: bn

    Cuz why not
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    You know thats not where my 1st kill would go if I were scum. But I do appreciate you putting out a vote early
  61. Blind Ninja

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    MTR said:
    I started off by voting Satsu instead of LDG but that discussion went no where. I didn't really have anywhere else to go so was going along with the various discussions going on until they got frustrating. So don't keep acting like I have only discussed one thing during this phase.

    Either way got too much else to do before I leave work which is after the end of the day phase so switching votes and lets see if we get any info out of it and of course make you happy since you constantly hate that she plays anyway.

    Unvote:

    Vote: LDG
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    It wasnt that there werent other discussions... it was that you said you didnt want to discuss LDG, but then didnt change the topic. Basically said I dont want to talk about this. You could have changed to topic and brought the discussion elsewhere, but you didnt.
  62. Blind Ninja

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    Dreyski said:
    I've no evidence of this but hear me out, is it possible VK started the game with a silence restriction? I'm just glad it's not Badger with another gif restrction.
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    Extremely doubtful
  63. Blind Ninja

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    MTR said:
    I don't think we are going to get another train up this close so I am willing to switch to LDG just to be sure we get a yeet off even I don't like it.
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    If you dont want to discuss LDG and dont really like the train... where do you want the discussion to go? Youve had opportunity to redirect the conversation, but didnt.
  64. Blind Ninja

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    a little over an hour til deadline, for those that didnt click on the link
  65. Blind Ninja

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    3puppies said:
    Are you intentionally missing the distinction between a town yeet and a scum yeet? A town yeet of an inactive town makes scum one step closer to their majority.

    Town can - and has - won plenty of times by refusing to yeet on D1 when we have no information. Don't make it seem like we're setting up an impossible task for ourselves.

    I don't know how you can say for sure what the writeups will or won't have.

    I am not suggesting that town should never yeet anyone in the phases to come. Isn't it just as likely that we will either get info from a writeup, or from someone sharing deets, than not?
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    I HIGHLY doubt we will have massive detailed writeups full of information. If you are refusing to yeet someone today, why not toss in the towel and not yeet all game. A day 1 yeet will provide information and providde some catalyst for d2, provided nothing too telling comes from n1 actions.

    Not to mention, we dont know if LDG is scum or town. So hard to say which way this yeet will land til it happens
  66. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    MTR said:
    I understand this logic and this goes back to hoping the game runner takes care of the inactives by subs are getting rid of them early on before we get to this point.
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    This also comes back to, ONCE the game starts, Its the players responsibility to solve and remove people... Not the mods.
  67. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    MTR said:
    I am lazy because I rather interact with the active people and get reads instead wasting time getting rid of a person not doing anything? Really? Come on. Do better. I am not disagreeing with you about if people are not going to be active then don't sign up and the frustration it causes. I also agree that it hurts town if they are not helping. However I am just going to focus on what I have in front of me and not get distracted by inactive players. I would rather scum hunt then just hand scum numbers by taking inactives out that are likely town and wasting a chance to take out a scum.

    All this discussion right here is distracting us from the actual game and is just as frustrating as people being inactive to me.
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    Well... the inactive person is in the game... but discussing the inactive person is distracting you from the game?

    Instead of saying how this is distracting, want to add anything else that isnt about this lone topic?
  68. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    3puppies said:
    Being overly hungry for a yeet on D1 where we don't have much info, usually results in a town loss.

    I don't mean to overly defend anyone for lack of activity. I just don't see enough value in a yeet yet.
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    getting no yeet on d1... and no information in the writeup doesnt help town either.

    town cannot win without yeets. and an inactive town hurts town in the end.
  69. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    3puppies said:
    Removing any town, even an inactive town, hurts town, as scum need to get a majority.

    I disagree that inactive town members do not help town as much as they potentially could and should, but don't forget that they are still part of the numbers we need.
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    Lets say that LDG is hypothetically town that just adds 2 posts a day, but doesnt help solve or hinder scum in any way... Now scum will just cut out the active members of town, leaving us with fewer and fewer people that are actively engaging. An inactive town is basically scum, since they wont remove that person and that person isnt coming solving.
  70. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    MTR said:
    I don't think we should feel the need to take out inactive players. Again mod's job. If we waste time taking out inactive players that tend to be town we are just helping scum by not focusing on solving and getting reads on players. Again I understand the frustration because I get extremely frustrated as well and try to not let it get to me.

    If you guys want to take her out by all means. At least we get the flip but rather put focus elsewhere. We have this discussion all the time much like we have the day one discussion all the time. Lets just play and not worry about activity and let that get sorted out on its own later.
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    This just screams "Im lazy" and LDG is on my scum team from you.

    Its the players job to solve the game. Not rely on the mod to have to come in and take actions. (for whatever reason)

    If people cant be active in the game and contribute, they shouldnt be signing up.

    Again, once the game has started, removing players DETRIMENTAL to to, is the games responsibility. Being inactive, hurts town.
  71. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    DivaSmurf said:
    I was eating a bagel while catching up and I dropped it cream cheese side landed on the floor
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    And thats what you get for dropping it
  72. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    As for LDG, she's been playing for a few years so I'd expect her to be comfortable voting and getting voted by now. It is D1 though so we have nothing to go on (besides Blind Ninja being in a neighborhood) so I think she could be forgiven for not knowing what to do, but later on you could @ her for reads and thoughts on the topic of the day to get her to build patterns.
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    Thats all well and good. But 90% of the time you @ her to ask any questions, she ignores them or responds with something along the lines of "I forgot this game was going"
  73. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Satsu said:
    Yes it was mods place. in signup thread. And now need to waste time to clean up a mess.
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    100% this. We know who is and isnt an active player.
  74. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    MTR said:
    I understand the frustration of someone not active and maybe not doing actions but to me that is the mod's place to handle that. I don't want to knowingly take out a town person and help scum get the numbers they need if I can be trying to actively solve and maybe taking out a scum.
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    I agree, its the mods place to handle, BEFORE the game. During the game, its the players. Modkills werent typically for activity, when they were used.
  75. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Mazer said:
    Don't think that was me. The only time I can think of something similar was me warning about overdiscussing if I killed someone for breadcrumbing or roleclaiming. That's a different thing though.

    I've always allowed people to discuss actual game mechanics. I wouldn't understand how to play most games without mechanic discussions.
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    Modkills arent a general game mechanic though... and why rely on the mod to remove people when that is the players duty to solve the game.
  76. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    I will not name the 3 ppl in there, but LDG isnt one of them. I just dont want to let someone afk their way to endgame, again
  77. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    I will straight up say that im in a neighborhood with 3 other people... which likely means 1 of those 3 is scum. Because I cant see a mod putting 4 town neighbors in a thread.
  78. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    yeah sure... Vote LDG or me is the point.

    Because if we are going to let someone get away with actively not playing, I dont want to be here
  79. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    How about this... If you are willing to vote LDG out, vote me.

    I dont want to play if we constantly give someone a pass that doesnt do much, if anything, to progress it. The random 1 liners here and there that people say spew her clean, dont help. Then when we get to the endgame, if there is a scum thats always been friendly to her, that can easily sway the vote against town.

    We never lynch her. We never lynch her early. Hell, she really only dies in game when scum get bored and kill her instead of noisy town.


    And @Mazer were you one cautioning against discussing how/when a mod would kill in one of your games? (or was that badger). Why now would we be willing to let the mod remove someone when its our duty to do it, provided they arent advancing the game forward.
  80. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Unvote:
    Vote: LDG

    If you're gonna not actively participate and vote yourself... I dont see why I shouldnt
  81. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    MTR said:
    I am sure we will get some.
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    He's worried about Abbi's Law. Doesnt want it catching him again.
  82. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Claws said:
    day 1 is the most useless shit of a day. i mean absolutely no info. lets just rng whoever we please and get it over with
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    ok

    Vote: Claws
  83. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    MTR said:
    Hopefully I won't get sick during this game since I am coming off having covid. I hate getting thrown off being sick and then trying to play catch up.

    So on a serious note I am not against actually voting someone off day one even though I typically go sleep on day one. I am open minded and willing to listen if people get some reads on anyone.
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    More time for us to vote you off during a nap
  84. Blind Ninja

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    rock meets hard place said:
    I guess I'll go ahead and bump this
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    really isnt a reason to bump the thread... since the most recent posts are already from here
  85. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Mazer said:
    We could talk about voting off low activity people d1. We could talk about whether you'll provide multiple options, or if you have one distinct preferred option. We could talk about whether its acceptable to talk about the pointless futility of low effort pushes.

    We could talk about any expectations of Rock as a gamerunner.

    Because it's hard to finish without knowing where you're starting.
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    More putting it as a thought early in the phase... so we can look through the phase and see if people are putting forth the effort. There are some that are typically lower activity that FH has mentions (FH/Val), but I would rather do it from this game and not based on what people have done in the past.

    As far as expectation from the game runner... trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Nothing to base it against. Hard to compare him to any of or normal/typical runner, since you all do things in a ddifferent manner.
  86. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Mazer said:
    So....Kiss Mafia.....What do you want to talk about?
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    Voting off low activity people D1
    Nightingale said:
    Let's just pretend I said some kind of long-winded speech about the virtues of Day 1

    That was inspiring wasn't it?
    No?
    Fine then.
    Vote: Sleep
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    Lazy... just lazy
  87. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    In an attempt to keep the game active, I say we vote off someone that regularly has low participation...
  88. Blind Ninja

    kiss mafia

    Haha, Rock died N0... town can rejoice!
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